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1. Re: Re: Hastings Website Patron Has Big Day
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
2. RE: Hastings Website Patron Has Big Day
by: lfrancis <louise.francis@comcast.net>
3. Re: Tibet
by: Alison Rempel <cmfuzz-alison@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Re: Tibet
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
5. RE: Re: Tibet
by: lfrancis <louise.francis@comcast.net>
6. It's A Grand Old Day For The Irish!
by: <faheyfam@optonline.net>
7. Re: Tibet
by: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
8. Re: Tibet
by: <captmando@aol.com>
9. Re: Tibet
by: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
10. Re: Tibet
by: Laurel Parker <lkp5@cornell.edu>
11. Re: Tibet
by: <lotsoffish@aol.com>
12. Re: Tibet
by: <dougnolan@aol.com>
13. Re: Tibet
by: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
14. Re: Tibet
by: Mark Lesly <marklesly@verizon.net>
15. Re: Tibet
by: <captmando@aol.com>
16. Re: Tibet
by: <captmando@aol.com>
17. Tibet, etc
by: <dave.walters@comcast.net>
18. Re: Re: Tibet
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
19. Re: Re: Tibet
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
20. Re: Tibet
by: <Iafrate4@aol.com>
21. story of stuff
by: <captmando@aol.com>
22. Re: Tibet
by: Nancy Waterous <nwaterous@gmail.com>
23. Re: Tibet
by: <dmcquickly@comcast.net>
24. Re: Tibet
by: <dmcquickly@comcast.net>
25. RE: Tibet, etc
by: lfrancis <louise.francis@comcast.net>
26. Re: story of stuff
by: <Iafrate4@aol.com>
27. Re: Tibet
by: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
28. RE: Tibet, etc
by: <dave.walters@comcast.net>
29. Re: Tibet
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
30. Re: Tibet
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
31. Re: Tibet
by: <lotsoffish@aol.com>
32. Re: Tibet
by: <lotsoffish@aol.com>
33. Re: Tibet
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
34. Re: Tibet
by: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
35. Movie Screenings
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
36. Davidson College basketball/sweet sixteen
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38. RE: Davidson College basketball/sweet sixteen
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42. Robert H. Kaiser
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by: Alison Lent <alent@davidsbridal.net>
45. Re: Robert H. Kaiser
by: Salvatore Saverino <sasaverino@afaz.net>
46. RE: Robert H. Kaiser
by: Barbara Schmidt <Barbara@citeofficedesign.com.au>
47. RE: Robert H. Kaiser
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49. Selwyn Feinstein
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50. RE: Selwyn Feinstein
by: Larry Kaiser <lkaiser@americanyc.org>
51. Re: Selwyn Feinstein
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52. Selwyn Feinstein
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54. RE: Selwyn Feinstein
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:58:03 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Hastings Website Patron Has Big Day

Thanks for asking, Ed. Teri's agent promised a picture of the piece once it is installed at the restaurant. Meanwhile, it can be seen on her site, www.art-cetera.com. It is called "Genesis."
(Just take the "hastings" off the class site's web address. Or you can take the following direct link:
http://www.art-cetera.com/collages/genesis.htm )

PS. We give to the International Campaign for Tibet, but I'd like to hear what Louise has to say.

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:06:04 -0800
From: "lfrancis" <louise.francis@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Hastings Website Patron Has Big Day

Ed,
The Nun's Project, that Alison supports, is one. Another great one that does
work in Tibet to keep children healthy is Termna Foundation. But don't
expect a bumper sticker.
Louise

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alison Rempel <cmfuzz-alison@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

Hi Louise-
I also hear alot from the Campaign for Tibet which has Richard Gere as chairman of the board (thereby generating publicity). Do you know if they also do good work? Here's the url for anyone interested http://www.savetibet.org/
-Alison

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:06:04 -0800
From: "lfrancis" <louise.francis@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Hastings Website Patron Has Big Day

Ed,
The Nun's Project, that Alison supports, is one. Another great one that does
work in Tibet to keep children healthy is Termna Foundation. But don't
expect a bumper sticker.
Louise

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:16:54 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com> Alan Fine
Subject: Re: Re: Tibet

Right, Alison. Campaign for Tibet gave Teri and I our bumper sticker. I'd hoped all the money went to the cause and the stickers were donated, but maybe that isn't the case?

Alan

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:32:29 -0800
From: "lfrancis" <louise.francis@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Tibet

Alison & Alan,
All these organizations use their money for the cause -- but organizations
such as Tibet Justice Center and International Campaign for Tibet focus on
advocacy. Some people don't consider advocacy as money that goes to
Tibetans. I interpreted Ed's question as raising the long-standing issue of
how much goes to administration/advocacy and how much goes to programs that
give food, medical care and housing to actual people. Many of the Tibet
Support groups have lean administrations, but since advocacy is a big part
of their mission, money will go to things such as bumper stickers --
spreading the word.
The International Campaign for Tibet does great work. As Dennis' book will
tell you, it is a powerhouse of the Tibet Support Groups. There are about
200 Tibet Support groups listed in an appendix to the book. These are mostly
advocacy groups. Some, like Tibet Justice Center, provide support for
Tibetans in exile (they started as a group of lawyers; they help get legal
support for asylum and other immigration issues facing Tibetans in exile in
the U.S.). Most TSGs don't have programs to feed, house and provide medical
care for Tibetans in Tibet (a difficult thing for a Tibet Support Group to
do, as it requires cooperating with the Chinese government and the Chinese
government hates Tibet Support Groups). I thought Ed was asking about
feeding, housing and caring for Tibetans. Terma Foundation does local
medical programs in Tibet. Years ago I suggested people support another
project that does local housing programs in Tibet -- the Tibet Heritage
Fund, which did inspiring work in Lhasa hiring Tibetan artisans to restore
the few Tibetan homes left in Lhasa to improve the lives of the Tibetans
living in them. They still operate I gather, although the Chinese Government
kicked out their founder in 2000 or 2001.
Thanks for all the interest,
Louise

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:56:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: faheyfam@optonline.net (Anne Kapfer Fehey)
Subject: It's A Grand Old Day For The Irish!

Happy St. Patricks Day -Wishing The Luck of the Irish to All!

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:47:56 -0400
From: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

This is all well and good but as long as China continues to pour their
goods into our market there will be nothing we can do about Tibet. Face
it, we don't have a manufacturing base anymore. Next time you shop see
where it's manufactured. Keep the dollars out of China's hand and maybe
we can do something about Tibet and along the way build ourselves up to
a power again.

Jim K

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:21:11 -0400
From: captmando@aol.com (John Capuano)
Subject: Re: Tibet

actually jim...all we have to do..as a nation.. is promise an econmic policy change...you handle things differently in tibet....or.. we do not buy "made in china" anymore..considering the U.S. is 90%+ of china's customers..business...$....id say we have a pretty good hand sittin' at this poker table..yes sir...$ talks...and we could subsidize tibetian annual needs?with one day of tolls at the whitestone bridge...no joke....john cap

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:02:14 -0400
From: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

John,
As long as all the major stores carry China made merchandise, nothing
will be done about the country that supplies it with cheap goods.

I try not to purchase Chinese made goods. I was able to keep Chinese
goods out of my factory for years due to the quality which was forward
thinking because now no one in the food business will accept these
products. 18 years ago I read Barbara Tuchmans book on Joesph Stillwell
and China and knew we were in trouble...and the book was only about the
time period 1906-1945!

Anyhow, I would bet most of the fisherman that come onto your boat have
Chinese made fishing gear. Don't know the last time you were in a mom
and pop hardware store but they are even carrying China made nails!
Imagine that, we don't even make a lowly nail anymore!

I don't want to clog this site up, but I would gladly email or speak to
you off line...unless the rest of the class doesn't mind this subject to
go further.

Jim K

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:55:24 -0400
From: Laurel Parker <lkp5@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Tibet

Run to your nearest bookstore or public library and get "A Year
Without Made in China":

A YEAR WITHOUT "MADE IN CHINA"
by Sara Bongiorni

FROM THE BOOK JACKET:

On January 1, 2005, Sara Bongiorni's family embarked on a
yearlong boycott of Chinese products. They wanted to see
for themselves what it would take, in will power and
creativity, to live without the world's fastest growing
economy--and whether it could be done at all.

"A Year Without 'Made in China'" chronicles this fasci-
nating and frustrating journey, and provides you with a
thought-provoking and thoroughly entertaining account of
life in a vast and slippery global economy of infinite
complexity. Drawing on her years as an award-winning
journalist, Bongiorni fills this book with engaging
stories and anecdotes of her family's attempt to outrun
China's reach, and does a remarkable job of taking a
decidedly big-picture issue--China's emerging status in
the global economy--and breaking it down to a personal
level.

Bongiorni's real-world adventure is filled with small hu-
man dramas. You'll learn how her boycott of China meant
scrambling to keep her rebellious husband in line and dis-
appointing her young son in stand-offs over Chinese-made
toys. You'll also discover how shopping trips for mundane
items like birthday candles as well as high-end designer
clothing became grinding ordeals, while broken appliances
brought on mini crises.

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:00:36 -0400
From: lotsoffish@aol.com (John Capuano)
Subject: Re: Tibet

hey jim...if we put the screws to the politicians on this one...we can make changes in trade policies with china...money talks..you know it!...do you think china would risk its trade situation for a patch of dirt in the mountains?....dont think so...we just need someone with brass balls to get up there and lead us..here is where obama comes into the picture!...did you see his race speech?....this is the man..a national treasure.......john cap

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:17:54 -0400
From: dougnolan@aol.com (Doug Nolan)
Subject: Re: Tibet

Considering the human rights and pollution issues, one wonders why the
Olympic selection committee supported China as a venue for the games.
By selecting China they have validated the country's current policies.
I know the games are supposed to set politics aside, but does that mean
ignoring the human rights abuses by a host country?

I'm hopeful it is not a revisit of the propaganda filled 1936 Olympics
hosted by Nazi Germany and that some journalists have the integrity to
visit the darker side.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:14:05 -0400
From: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

John,

First off I don't want to come off as demonizing the Chinese people.
It's not their fault that we bend over backwards for their products.
Hell, Andrew Carnegie did the same thing to the rest of the world with
steel over 100 years ago.

I really don't think any of the candidates for President can do much
about this problem. Actually one of the candidates who happened to be
at our reunion, sat on The Board of a certain Arkansas corporation which
is at the pinnacle of flooding our market with Chinese goods.

Pity that the Anti-Trust policies Theodore Roosevelt put into effect
have been made impotent in the last three decades. However since you
mentioned your candidate...I prefer the magnanimous fellow who spent
time in the Hanoi Hilton. As far as I can tell, he is a Lincoln-Teddy
Roosevelt Republican, not a Reagan-Bush Republican.

Jim K

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:03:00 -0400
From: Mark Lesly <marklesly@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Tibet

FWIW, I've been involved with the US Olympic Program to some extent
and have some cynical points to make about China and the Olympics:

1. China promised the IOC to "respect and enhance human rights" when
they were chosen over Toronto in July, 2001.

2. IOC President Jacqus Rogge told Beijing, "The values of the IOC
are full respect for human rights. We ask you to do the best effort
so that leading up to the Games, you would have the best possible
human rights record."

3. According to the Human Rights watch, the Committee to Protect
Journalists and Reporters Without Borders, China has more journalists
(25) and cyber-dissidents (49) in prison than any other nation in the
world.

4. The IOC (which cares ONLY about $, IMHO) recently released a
statement saying that their belief is that "history will tell that
more good than bad has resulted from hosting the Olympic Games in
Beijing."

5. China is buying the entire world, piece by piece. The Chinese
Sovereign Wealth Fund (their $ to invest in other countries) is $600
Billion. No one can afford to confront them directly anymore because
of their economic ties.

6. China will soon have the largest English speaking population in
the world (not sure why that is related to the other points, but it
is true).

Question: how many of you think that "more good than bad" resulted
from Nazi Germany hosting the Olympics in 1936? How many of you
think it was "more bad than good"? Would we still remember Jesse
Owens if the Olympics had been held somewhere else?

Just asking...papers will be due on Tucker's desk Monday! (LOL)

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:38:24 -0400
From: captmando@aol.com (John Capuano)
Subject: Re: Tibet

jim

love john mccain...but i really think he put his time in already for our country..YOU PUT MCCAIN? IN THE WHITE HOUSE ..YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT THE INTERN SKIRT CHASER AND MRS. SELF INDULGED BACK IN THE HOUSE!.....its time for real changes..[and this is coming from somewhat of a consevative]...obama will close the gap between the wealthy and poverty stricken..racial injustices....this is the real solution to the "recession pit" we are in.....

i have it!!....... china trade sanctions.[solves the tibetan problem]..AND we just might be heading back to MADE IN? U.S.A.!!...end of recession!.....A 2-FER..I LOVE 2-FERS!!...JOHN CAP

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:05:42 -0400
From: captmando@aol.com (John Capuano)
Subject: Re: Tibet

on the money doug!....and thats what "IT" is all about...money....greenbacks..$$$...

what of all the world?.the fringes?..the multitudes?. the HOMELESS..STARVING...ILLITERATE...THE DYING?

ILL TELL YOU WHAT..without all this poverty..the pyramid of economics would crumble..to support our lifestyles..we have accepted the fact that there is someone in Afghanistan working for 5cents a day..we have accepted a Mexican working in a textile factory just making enough to eat....children starving....all of this..at the base of the pyramid..is necessary..for those..us..living at the top....but dear God/Buddah/Mohamed/Jahovah....?what of our conscience?....our souls?...i dont know....i just dont know...turning our heads to all of this..is not the answer

when walking down the pavement on a warm sumer day..are "you" the type to intentionally step on the ants scurrying across the walkway?..do you carefully avoid them?....or do you just walk...paying no attention to the results of your actions?...think about it....think about what you are wearing..where you live.. and what you eat..and think about mostly...what it all?REALLY costs....cap

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:59:25 +0000
From: dave.walters@comcast.net
Subject: Tibet, etc

This is my first comment on Tibet and China.

I wanted to respond to the issue of China as a whole. I participated in the 1999 demonstration in Seattle against globalization. My union local participated and this rally and march, arguably, started the whole "anti-globalization movement" we know today. China, then, as today, figured prominently as a protagonist. My traveling campanion, among several unionists from the Bay Area (among the thousands who made the trip north) was a leading member of the China Labour Bulletin, a kind of radical-worker NGO based in Hong Kong.

In my discussions with him, and in subsequent study of the situation, one learns, rapidly, that one should not look "to China", per se, but to *every* large US based transnational company. China flung open its doors to manufacturing (and less, known, billions for 'service industry' capital as well) investment capital. It is the US, not China alone, that is primarily responsible for the "de-localization" of the US manufacturing base. It *is the policy of the US gov't* that China open it's doors to US capital. It's not China trying to heist US commodity production. Capital flowed, mostly, on the heals of NAFTA, which, in a tri-lateral way (with Canada and Mexico) we have now with China in a bilateral way. This was pushed (in both instances) by US capital, primarily US banks, but also the always-in-need-of-hand-out manufacturing companies. NAFTA as we know was signed into law by Bill Clinton...but in a totally bi-partisan way. It was the model for later US investment in China.

At that point capital started flowing into Mexico into it's dreaded "Malquadora" border-factories. It helped, as it does today, to open Mexico to cheap US agricultural products so that the US ends up destroying the peasant-based rural economy there in the *exact* same way Chinese goods effect US manufacturing. The difference is that in both cases, while workers in both countries suffer, the US banks and capital holding companies get super-rich (and you can be sure they are converting their dollars into Euros as fast as they get them). Oh...NAFTA is the primary reason, in fact the *only* reason that the US has started to received the flood of millions of undocumented workers. Prior to NAFTA, illegal immigration, while always present, never had a large negative economic or social consequence.

Like most, I don't recognize China's taking Tibet. I also don't think the solution, that is self-determination, or independence, is something that is algebraic in its solution. Not with Han Chinese soon outnumbering native Tibetans. Not with whole regions of Tibet now in fact majority Chinese. How does one resolve the issue of Chinese settlement in an independent Tibet? Secondly, while the Dali Lama might be a man of principal, as demonstrated by his threat yesterday of withdrawing from the "Government-in-Exile" (I don't think any other gov't recognizes this but it's more symbolic that diplomatic) his movement leaves a lot to be desired. Attacks on civilian Chinese, publicized globally by the official Chinese gov't news agencies, is real and, is an issue. It is not an easy solution. There will be no simple resolution.

In two weeks I'll be traveling to Mexico City to attend a union conference against NAFTA and Globalization. We're hoping to have Chinese trade unionist activists (the illegal kind, since PRC unions are effectively part of the state apparatus).

David Walters

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:24:20 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com> (Alan Fine)
Subject: Re: Re: Tibet

Cap,

You said it so well. Now I want to back you with this video.

GO TO THIS SITE. www.storyofstuff.com

I hope I have a reputation as someone who doesn't recommend things lightly. Time is precious. I don't read blogs. I don't watch frivolous TV. Wouldn't ask anyone else to do those things either.

GO TO THIS SITE. www.storyofstuff.com

Invest five minutes. It's longer, but no one has been able to stop watching until the entire 15-20 minutes is over.

GO TO THIS SITE. www.storyofstuff.com

It is funny. It is compelling. It is heartbreaking. The speaker, Annie Leonard, is great. The animations are simple and brilliant.

And it all illustrates John's point beautifully.

Alan

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:29:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Tibet

Hi. We showed this film to the 8th graders at my school. I loved it, but have to warn you, it has a strong anti-corporate and anti-Bush bias that could rankle a bit. Like most thought provoking works, it's gonna rankle...Good word. Rankle.

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:24:20 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com> (Alan Fine)
Subject: Re: Re: Tibet

Cap,

You said it so well. Now I want to back you with this video.

GO TO THIS SITE. www.storyofstuff.com

I hope I have a reputation as someone who doesn't recommend things lightly. Time is precious. I don't read blogs. I don't watch frivolous TV. Wouldn't ask anyone else to do those things either.

GO TO THIS SITE. www.storyofstuff.com

Invest five minutes. It's longer, but no one has been able to stop watching until the entire 15-20 minutes is over.

GO TO THIS SITE. www.storyofstuff.com

It is funny. It is compelling. It is heartbreaking. The speaker, Annie Leonard, is great. The animations are simple and brilliant.

And it all illustrates John's point beautifully.

Alan

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:15:28 EDT
From: Iafrate4@aol.com (Pam Edwards Iafrate)
Subject: Re: Tibet

just watched the "Story of Stuff" ......excellent...thanks

Pam

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:51:56 -0400
From: captmando@aol.com (John Capuano)
Subject: story of stuff

?anti bush?..i dont see this flick as being antibush,..just simply..anti global distruction..with some solutions....BUSH is not the "use it once and throw it away people" americans have become...we are all?wasteful..and..unconscious...."we" turn our heads to

the real problems of the world ...oh yes we do.....so that our lifestyles remain....sure..we make gestures of caring...and overtures of helping...but we dont REALLY?care...we go home and eat what we want..buy what we want..throw out what we dont want...we drive or fly whereever we want...sleep when we want..where we want....but the fact is..there is a little girl..somewhere off in the sudan..dying.....and there isnt a damn thing..we? REALLY....REALLY.want to do about it..BECAUSE THE REALITY IS..IT WOULD CHANGE OUR WAY OF LIFE IF WE DID...shameful it is...but the only true hero..would be the one who gave up everyting they have..EVERYTHING...to save that little..innocent girl..there is not one among us....cap

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:12:27 -0700
From: "Nancy Waterous" <nwaterous@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

As someone who works for a company that reluctantly sells products that are
made in China, just wanted to put in my two cents. I have spent hours and
days trying (in vain) to locate US manufacturers these products. They just
don't exist anymore. We would love to bring the business back home, but it
seems that the US has effectively driven those manufacturers out of
business...

Nancy

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:26:02 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net (Greg Vaughn)
Subject: Re: Tibet

Cap:

A friend of mine (a tried-and-true Wobbly, worked with Chavez back in the day) calls this "the race to the bottom". Businesses move jobs around to find the lowest wages, then other countries (even states here in the U.S.) make it easier for businesses to employ people at lower wages, which encourages still other countries/states to lower wages, all in an effort to attract businesses/jobs and the taxes they bring. Problem is, this happens at the expense of every worker.

IF cost of living decreases to keep pace with these lowering wages, then everything's hunky-dory. But of course, businesses don't lower prices. They just find richer markets to sell their goods in. Someday (probably not while we're alive, but likely sometime in the early adult lives of our grandchildren) the U.S. will cease to be that richer market.

The prediction is that, because of this worldwide race to find the lowest working wage, workers all over the world will lose their quality of life. It'll even happen here. From my vantage point, it already is. The bust in housing has a lot to do with this race to the bottom. The wage structure that supported the real estate inflation of the 80s and 90s is gone now. With a rapidly shrinking middle class, people don't have the means to trade up in their housing, which suppresses demand, which we all know suppresses prices. Forget the foreclosure problem. Once that sad cycle has run its course, there will still be a huge glut of houses and further erosion of wages.

Personally, I don't see housing prices going back up at anything near their former rate in our lifetimes. Demand will be lower. Wages will be lower. Supply is already too high.

As always, the solution to any economic crisis is economic stimulation. Personally, I love being economically stimulated. :-) But it isn't a small tax refund such as the one we're getting in May. It's a system-wide change iin the industrial and technological base. Just like the auto brought about prosperous times for a while, and WWII, and the space race/arms race, and the tech boom of the 90s, a new broad industry needs development and emergence to stimulate our economy.

At this point, that looks like the alternative-to-gasoline industry. And speaking from the heartland, I can personally say that, while corn growers are all for the ethanol push, it won't solve any problems. It costs a lot in energy and corn supply for the grocery store and for animal feed, which will drive up the prices of a wide range of food products. Ethanol production uses enough other types of energy to make it a zero-balance carbon fuel, not a reduction in carbon emissions like its proponents tell us. And it will probably increase carbon emissions and not give any significant break to us in either gas usage or gas prices.

So there are a few more thoughts for your very active and analytical mind, Cappy!

Happy fishing!

Greg

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:34:31 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net (Greg Vaughn)
Subject: Re: Tibet

True enough, sadly, Nancy.

We don't even manufacture weapons here in the U.S. on a large scale anymore. I mean, how crazy is that?

Greg

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:33:18 -0800
From: "lfrancis" <louise.francis@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Tibet, etc

This has been an interesting discussion about so many issues.

I'll stick to Tibet.

Dave writes: "Attacks on civilian Chinese, publicized globally by the
official Chinese gov't news agencies" ... is a real issue." (emphasis is
mine). Haven't we reminisced before in this list serve about Rittner's
propaganda exercise in 10th grade history? Where he took a "good girl" from
the class and had her stay out of class for a while -- I think in my class
it was Susan Serafin -- and he then told us a bull story about how she was
in the principal's office for starting a fight? In recent years he told me
that only 1 or 2 students of probably what, -- THOUSANDS? he taught --
voiced doubt about his story. When you read anything that the reporters got
from the Chinese news agency, think Susan Serafin.

Has anyone read independent verification of Tibetans killing Chinese from
any source other than the Chinese news agency? As of this morning I hadn't.
This may very well be the next step in the strategy that started after 9/11
of calling Tibetan monks Terrorists (yes, China did that and used the post
9/11 panic to condemn a monk to death for being a "terrorist"). Now Tibetan
rioters are murderers.

When I read or see news reports that do not remind us about the hundreds of
monks who demonstrated peacefully and were then violently suppressed
(http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/03/images-and-news.html), but focus
on angry Tibetans, I ask:

If the Chinese had taken over HoH in 1950, killed many of our friends and
relatives who resisted, burned most of our churches and synagogues,
imprisoned our leading priests, rabbis and ministers, put the ones they
allowed to preach under control of Chinese government handlers, destroyed
the old homes of the town until there were only about 100 left (the number
of Tibetans homes left in the Barkor, or Tibetan, section of Lhasa as of
2000 when I was there), replaced the old homes with ugly, substandard cinder
block buildings (think Soviet style) forbad us from learning English in
school, took our sacred natural areas (Hillside Park? The Hudson River? The
Pacific Palisades) and ruined them to extract resources, and wouldn't let us
work in good industry without our renouncing our past culture and showing
loyalty to the Chinese communist party in some way, and then violently put
down a march by our religious leaders, would my children riot? How would I
judge them if they did?

- Louise

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:13:11 EDT
From: Iafrate4@aol.com (Pam Edwards Iafrate)
Subject: Re: story of stuff

John

Very well put..you hit it dead on

Pam

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:40:38 -0400
From: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

Greg,

You certainly hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately our energy policy
is a disaster. Turning our corn crop into ethanol has cause inflation
in the supermarkets. The 2007 corn crop was the largest since WWII yet
a huge portion has been converted to ethanol or sold to overseas.

Since the cropland has been converted to corn, the price of soybeans and
wheat has skyrocketed. The price of a bag of flour has gone from $15 to
$37 in two weeks! Everything that has to do with corn has also risen.
Cows eat corn so the price of meat, milk, cheese, butter, ice cream has
gone up. Chicken feed goes up so the price of chicken and eggs goes up.
Do I have to mention lamb and hogs?

We all remember the oil embargo of 1974 very well. Jimmy Carter may not
have been that great a President but he sure as hell realized we needed
to fix our dependence on foreign oil and go to alternative energy.
Carter backed alternative energy and even put solar panels on The White
House. He also gave tax breaks for houses and industry that used solar
panels. Well the first thing Reagan did was get rid of those incentives
and take down the solar panels.

It has been thirty four years since the oil embargo and, Washington has
done nothing! I am telling you from one of the few manufactures left in
America, we are fucked. We are at a point in America that is equal to
October 1929 and December 1941.

Good luck to us all.

Jim K

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:50:40 +0000
From: dave.walters@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Tibet, etc

Louise, all,
I do not disagree with you. (BTW...it was, if I remember, you and Heidi Ripberger who played the parts in our AP class.)...sort of, kind of. But a few thoughts on this as people have debated the issue(s) of Tibet and China over the internet and in the news: Mr. Ritner also stated something else, on more than one occasion and with great emotion: "Never trust a refugee to give an objective observation". This was in regard to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as it happens. I'm sure it's as applicable to Tibet as Palestine. But the point about the gov't sources is a good one, albeit it was accompanied by video and now, western reporters who were there. In fact, I haven't seen anyone denying the charges of violence on the part of the Tibetans.

I'd also say that the Dali Lama himself is a source for this information since he has tried, strongly, to dissociated himself from "his own followers violence". He has threatened to resign and been quite denunciatory of Tibetan nationalists who ARE fighting.

However, when I said this is "an issue" I meant it much more objectively than a commendation on my part. I don't ascribe to much of the Lama's politics or what he's for except that Tibet ought to be able to determine it's own future, free of outside interference, whether that be China…or the US. Tibet under the Monks and before the Chinese showed up was hardly "Free", or, even "self-determined", in fact it was a feudal theocracy and not a particularly progressive one by any standards. BUT it was free of foreign occupation, which is always a good thing and this is what the issue, really, is today.

The issue of violence is interesting because everyone in the news: the Dali Lama, the US, the Chinese Communist Party, even the KMT now back in power in Taiwan decries "violence". While I don't support attacks on Chinese civilians (if it's true) clearly this is not Gandhi facing down the polite and democratic imperialism of the British Crown. If Gandhi had to face the German Whermacht, we would not be hearing of Gandhi today because he and every last one of his followers would be dead. Thus, my sympathies are with the Tibetan youth who are trying to free their country. Just like it was with our own forefathers facing down British muskets with Kentucky long-rifles and my wife's countrymen who in 1979 overthrew the US backed dictator, Anastasio Somoza Debayle, infant terrible of Nicaragua, also with guns in hand. Why is that "OK" but for Tibetans it's "bad"??? I believe, strongly, that pacificism, as brave as that is for one or several individuals, is a "boutique" political moralism
that can have little effect when faced with the kind of regime that is represented by the PRC.

Personally, I think the US is supporting the PRC and opposes the Tibetan movement. I say this because the PRC is the largest sink for capital investment in the world and it's keeping the entire world's economy afloat and, it's keeping prices for commodities high (which is a good thing for investors). The US pays lip-service to the Dali Lama but it does the same thing when it pays lip-service to "democracy" in the Middle East but arms to the teeth the Saudi monarchy, a brutal theocratic dictatorship WORSE in fact than the Iranian gov't, which is the normal recipient of State Department ire. Go figure? The US gov't knows which side of the bread lies the butter…

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:18:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

Another film that will break your heart and make you furious -- "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
And I've heard of one called "King Corn" or "King Korn" that probably echoes some of Jim's thoughts.

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:25:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

Does anyone remember Mrs. Liberman talking ominously about the "global village" in her courses? I think about that all the time. As I remember it, she predicted that eventually multinational (she didn't use that word -- it wasn't au courant) corporations would run the world. In other words, government wouldn't be based on political or military or national strength . . . government would be based on financial strength, and the governors would be the CEO's and CFO's and Boards. (When you think about it, Halliburton has had more clout than the voting American public....)

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:13:33 -0400
From: lotsoffish@aol.com (John Capuano)
Subject: Re: Tibet

hey jim...europeans have been paying over 4$ a gallon for the last 10 years...."ma government" has actually done a pretty good job of keeping the price down for us for a long time..but you know the saying.."pay now..or pay later"..john

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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:30:54 -0400
From: lotsoffish@aol.com (John Capuano)
Subject: Re: Tibet

happy fishing to you as well greg..maybe one day i will get you out here..with a few other classmates..and we can all have a much needed look at the great atlantic...mother nature..together..cap

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

One of the theories in "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is that the government, oil companies, and car companies colluded in lowering oil prices at just the time the electric car was beginning to catch on -- so that people would keep buying gas-powered cars. It's chilling.

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:56:51 -0400
From: Jim Katzenstein <jimk@starkaywhite.com>
Subject: Re: Tibet

John,

Indeed they have. They also have superior mass transportation systems.
I live across the Hudson in Rockland County. There is limited train
service from the Western part of the county and buses but, I still cross
over the Tappan Zee Bridge to catch a train in Tarrytown to go into NYC.
There is no passenger trains on the west bank of the Hudson. Every
few years some political committee is hatched to look into the
feasibility of a train system ) or some light rail to connect the train
links in Suffern to Tarrytown, White Plains and Portchester, but nothing
ever happens. Lots of talk and no action (which of course is paid for in
our tax dollars).

Boy could we use Robert Moses now.

Jim K

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:42:49 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com> (Alan Fine)
Subject: Movie Screening - "Stop Loss"

I want to apologize to the group. Paramount/DreamWorks screenings have come and gone and I've been too busy to go or invite others. (I really wanted to see "Spiderwick," "There Will Be Blood," "Cloverfield," and "Sweeny Todd.")

If you are around and in the city, please email me an RSVP for up to four people. Below are the dates and the "Rolling Stone" review.

Let me know as soon as you can as this is for Wednesday and Thursday.

Alan

3/26/08 8:00PM AMC/LOEWS Village 7 New York

3/26/08 8:00PM Regal Midaway 9 Forrest Hills NY

3/27/08 7:30PM AMC Loews 34th Street New York

Stop-Loss

Starring: Ryan Phillippe, Abbie Cornish, Channing Tatum, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Ciaran Hinds

Directed by: Kimberly Peirce

RS: 3.5of 4 Stars Average User Rating: 3of 4 Stars

2008 Paramount Pictures Drama

Here's the first major movie of the new year that touches greatness, and damn if there isn't a curse hanging over it. Stop-Loss, directed with ferocity and feeling by Kimberly Peirce (Boys Don't Cry), is up against the war raging between audiences and films about Iraq. Box-office casualties last year include Lions for Lambs, Rendition, Redacted, Grace Is Gone and the unfairly scorned In the Valley of Elah.

Stop-Loss has the juice to break the jinx. The emotional battlefield on which Peirce paints her canvas strikes a universal chord that transcends politics and preaching. Peirce, who co-wrote the script with Mark Richard, takes us inside the minds and hearts of soldiers who enlisted after 9/11. Why? "To get the people who had done this," in the words of Peirce, whose brother joined a unit attached to the 82nd Airborne. At first, Peirce thought of making a documentary about the trauma faced by men and women in military service who struggle to re-enter civilian life after duty in Iraq. She was struck hard by a story told by her brother about a soldier who'd done his time and been stop-lossed by the Army. The term refers to the involuntary extension of a soldier's enlistment contract. It turns out nearly 81,000 have been sent back into battle multiple times with no recourse — class-action lawsuits routinely fail — except to go AWOL. Using fictional characters, Peirce decided to c!
raft a film about the lives of soldiers and their families living in a ghost world created by questionable government policy.

Some have already accused Stop-Loss of glorifying desertion. Bull. The film is a powder keg with no agenda except the human one. Ryan Phillippe stars as Sgt. Brandon King, just returned home to Brazos, Texas, with his childhood buddy Sgt. Steve Shriver (Channing Tatum). No matter how they try to eradicate the images of ambush that run in their heads, the men find their terror manifested in bar fights and bad dreams. Their friend Tommy Burgess (the superb Joseph Gordon-Levitt) is coming apart without the outlet war gave his violent, alcoholic nature. He opens fire on the gifts he and wife Jeanie (Mamie Gummer) receive at their wedding. Steve is waking up at night to dig a foxhole, much to the distress of his fiancée, Michele (Abbie Cornish). And Brandon, living with supportive parents (Linda Emond and Ciarán Hinds), loses it when he's ordered back to Iraq. His decision to desert stuns Steve, as does Michele's decision to aid Brandon in his escape to Canada. The scenes of AWOL!
soldiers and their families living in an underground that extends across the country are the soul of the film.

None of this would work if Peirce hadn't inspired her crew to push the envelope. Cinematographer Chris Menges, a poet of natural light, performs miracles of visual design. All the actors are exceptional. Phillippe (Flags of Our Fathers, Breach) is a dynamo, and indelibly moving when he catches Brandon in the act of discovering himself. Watch for the scene at a military hospital where he visits wounded comrade Rico Rodriguez (a knockout Victor Rasuk) and learns a hardcore lesson. Tatum (Step Up, A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints) excels by going beyond the call of hunk duty to find the demons tormenting Steve. His fistfight with Brandon at a cemetery locates the film's grieving heart. The most surprising performance comes from Cornish, the Aussie actress best known for her junkie turn opposite Heath Ledger in Candy. Female roles are usually marginal in war movies, but Cornish — working in tandem with Peirce — makes Michele a compassionate warrior who may be torn between two !
lovers but holds no doubt about the moral ground on which she stands. There's not an ounce of Hollywood fakery in Cornish — she's the real deal. So's the movie. And so is Peirce. It's been nine years since she debuted with Boys Don't Cry, but her empathy with society's outsiders is undiminished and fills every frame of Stop-Loss. Even when the script slips into sentiment, Peirce sticks with her troubled, questing soldiers, and through this raw and riveting movie, they stick with us.

PETER TRAVERS
(Posted: Apr 3, 2008)

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:21:38 EDT
From: Iafrate4@aol.com (Pam Edwards Iafrate)
Subject: Davidson College basketball/sweet sixteen

Hey Class of "75"

Is anyone watching March Madness???? Well....our son, (the baby, Mark,20
years old) attends a small/private college 20 minutes north of Charlotte,
NC....Davidson College...a Cinderella school for sure.....anyway they just
defeated Wisconsin 73/56 in the "Sweet Sixteen" to advance to Sunday's game...."The
Elite Eight!....Davidson is a little known Southern college that prides
itself with high academic standards....they are a Division 1 school but only the
basketball team is scholarship.....football ( Mark is an offensive lineman)
and the other sports depend upon academics......needless to say..when they get
a chance to shine...like in the "Sweet Sixteen"....the school is behind them
100%. The Board of Trustees dug deep into their pockets and sent any student
who wanted to attend tonight's game in Detroit full expenses paid...(which
Alan was very happy about since he didn't have to fund Mark's trip)...About
275 students ditched classes, our son included,(a kid after his mother's
heart), and hopped the bus to Detroit.....AND...Davidson was victorious and are
ready to play Sunday....I hope Mark has his homework with
him......anyway...any of you who want to cheer for a great school feel free to do so...we could
use all the help we can get....Go Cats...Thanks...Pam Edwards Iafrate.

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:44:15 -0400
From: "Earle MacHardy" <uggman@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Davidson College basketball/sweet sixteen

Yes, it's great, isn't it? Davidson is more well known down here in NC and
everyone pulls for them (they aren't in the ACC, so all the fans like the
team). This part of NC is basketball crazy (with Duke and UNC seven miles
apart).

What's amazing is that they could play UNC if they keep winning. The NC
crowds would love that game! Actually, the sunday game against Kansas
should be great too!

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:51:33 -0800
From: "lfrancis" <louise.francis@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Davidson College basketball/sweet sixteen

Pam,
And your son's Davidson is doing it not only as an academic school, but with
a team composed from around the world. What a great statement for the
future.
Living with 3 guys, including my youngest -- the walking encyclopedia of
current events in American sports -- I have been forced to shed my sports
ostrich ways. And every now and then one of the stories my youngest tells me
captures my heart. GO DAVIDSON!
Louise Francis

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:15:57 +0000
From: smb9220@comcast.net (Steve Bass)
Subject: RE: Davidson College basketball/sweet sixteen

As a Wisconsin alumnus (graduate school of business), even I can appreciate the Davidson story. Pretty cool for them and a great opportunity to increase awareness of an exceptionally good school.

Speaking of sports, I've attached a link to a TV story that ran the other night about the Lake Oswego Community Rowing team. My daughter, Catie, is the top coxswain on the team, and her boat is currently in the top three in the Northwest and Western Canada.

Here's a link if you care to watch it:

http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/videos/view/108-Lake-Oswego-Rowing

Steve Bass

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:15:07 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net (Greg Vaughn)
Subject: Re: Davidson College basketball/sweet sixteen

Congratulations, Pam! Great story, and always good to see smarts on a basketball court.

Your connection to this (and, by extension, our class) wonderful school makes me even happier that I WAS THE ONLY PERSON IN OUR 25-PERSON BASKETBALL POOL that picked Davidson to go past the first round. In fact..yes, it's true...I had them beating Wisconsin. Not a hard pick to be honest--one of the best guards in the country, not well known, playing over-rated teams from over-rated conferences. Smarts, talent, and surprise: I think this was the foundation of The Art Of War! lol

Greg

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:35:11 EDT
From: Iafrate4@aol.com (Pam Edwards Iafrate)
Subject: Re: Davidson College basketball/sweet sixteen

Greg!

How wonderful to hear from you...thanks for the support and I hope you won a
bunch ($$$) from the pool.

Yes this team is a very special one from a very special school. Both our
boys attended Davidson. Mike, 23, graduated last May and is now a GA
offensive football coach and working on his MBA at Stony Brook University on Long
Island. Mark is a sophomore at Davidson and has nothing but nice things to say
about his friends Curry and Gosselin and Richards. Unfortunately...all the
wishing in the world couldn't get Richard's shot into the basket the last
seconds of the game and it was a heartbreaker. The Wildcats have nothing to be
ashamed of though and more great games are in their future.

At this moment my son is on the long bus ride back to NC. He and the rest
of the student fans will have this experience as a wonderful memory. Now he,
along with his teammates begin spring football. He's a starting offensive
guard. He's my baby...all 6'3", 275 pounds of him...a great kid who we are
very proud of. During football season we try to attend as many games as
possible..the home games for sure and we also try to get to some of the Stony Brook
games too. This keeps me on a plane each weekend from late Aug. to mid Nov.
but I love it!

We live in South Florida, Weston to be exact. It's about 20 minutes due
west of Ft. Lauderdale and 30 minutes north of Miami. If you're ever in the
area, give us a call (954)-384-1088 and maybe we can get together. It would be
fun. Meanwhile, thank you very much for taking the time to drop me a line.
It's truly been wonderful hearing from you.

Be well and be happy.

Best wishes, Pam

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:00:58 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Robert H. Kaiser

Our hearts go out to Larry at the passing of his father,
Robert H. Kaiser
Born in Port Chester, New York on Mar. 5, 1931
Departed on Apr. 2, 2008 and resided in Somers, NY.

Service to be held on
Friday, Apr. 4, 2008
12 Noon - 12:45 pm

Hawthorne Funeral Home
21 Stevens Avenue Hawthorne, NY 10532
914-769-4404
hfh4404@aol.com
hawthornefuneralhome.com

Burial Ceremony to be held on
Saturday, Apr. 5, 2008
1:00 pm - 1:30 pm

Sharon Gardens Cemetery
Lakeview Avenue Valhalla, NY US 10595
914-949-0347

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:54:47 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net (Greg Vaughn)
Subject: Re: Robert H. Kaiser

My condolences, Larry. May you find peace.

Greg

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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:33:59 -0700
From: Alison Hickey Lent <alent@davidsbridal.net>
Subject: Re: Robert H. Kaiser

Larry,
My heart goes out to you and your family. I lost my Mom 3 years ago and
still miss her terribly. She was living with us when she passed and I am
so happy to have shared that time with her. I hope your memories of your
wonderful father get you through this difficult time. Take care, Alison
(Hickey) Lent

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:58:10 -0700
From: Salvatore Saverino <sasaverino@afaz.net>
Subject: Re: Robert H. Kaiser

Larry,
My sincere condolences on your loss.My father died when I was
only sixteen, but I still have some vivid recollections of him. You were
fortunate to have had many years to draw upon. Relish them.

Mr. Saverino

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:23:30 +1000
From: "Barbara Schmidt" <Barbara@citeofficedesign.com.au>
Subject: RE: Robert H. Kaiser

Larry,

All our love and thoughts are with you and your family during these difficult times. Your dad was a fantastic guy. I remember how he use to make me spaghetti and clams still one of my favorite dishes to this day.!! He loved you and his family and I know you will miss him.

Love Barbara & Peter

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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:30:09 -0400
From: Larry Kaiser <lkaiser@americanyc.org>
Subject: RE: Robert H. Kaiser

I appreciate your thoughts!

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: Hastings Alumni Email Forum [mailto:hastings@art-cetera.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:07 PM
To: Hastings Alumni Email Forum
Subject: Re: Robert H. Kaiser

From the HASTINGS CLASS OF '75
(also including teachers and other classes)
EMAIL BULLETIN BOARD
www.art-cetera.com/hastings
---------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:58:10 -0700
From: Salvatore Saverino <sasaverino@afaz.net>
Subject: Re: Robert H. Kaiser

Mr. Saverino

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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:25:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: ewc58@optonline.net (Ed Caccia)
Subject: RE: Robert H. Kaiser

Larry, my family and I were very sad to hear the news about your Dad's passing. He and you Mom were fine people who added a lot to their family and their community. Cub scout meetings at your house on Oxford road- - now how long ago was that?

Take strength from your Dad's love and the memories you'll always have in your heart. We're thinking about you at this difficult time.

Sincerely,
Ed, Nancy and Natalie Caccia

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 7:48:15 -0400
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Selwyn Feinstein

Our hearts go out to Jeffrey
at the passing of his father,
Selwyn Feinstein
Departed on Apr. 16, 2008
and resided in Hastings-on-Hudson, NY.

Service to be held on
Friday, Apr. 18, 2008
10:30AM
Edwards-Dowdle Funeral Home
64 Ashford Avenue,
Dobbs Ferry
edwardsanddowdle.com

Burial Ceremony to be held at
Sharon Gardens Cemetery
Lakeview Avenue
Valhalla, NY US 10595
914-949-0347

The family requests that, in lieu of flowers, donations be made to the Pancreatic Cancer Action Network, 2141 Rosecrans Ave., Suite 7000, El Segundo, CA 90245 (www.pancan.org).

Selwyn Feinstein, a former editor, reporter and columnist for The Wall Street Journal, died April 16 at Calvary Hospital in Bronx, NY. The resident of Hastings-on-Hudson, NY, was 76 years old.

He had battled pancreatic cancer for the past year, according to his family.

Mr. Feinstein's journalism career began in 1955 when he was Night Bureau Manager for the United Press in Pittsburgh, PA. He later held reporting and editing roles at Tide magazine and Printer's Ink before joining The Journal in 1962.

During Mr. Feinstein's 28-year career at The Journal, he covered a variety of topics in financial and international news. He was a foreign correspondent based in Hong Kong in the late 1960s, where he covered the Vietnam War and other news events throughout Southeast Asia. Later, as Assistant Foreign Editor, he directed The Journal's foreign news coverage. He also was a Page 1 columnist, writing the weekly Labor Letter for several years before retiring from The Journal in 1990.

In retirement, Mr. Feinstein pursued his passions of sailing and travel with his wife of 53 years, Eve Gellerman Feinstein. He was a member of the Harlem Yacht Club of City Island, NY, and a Division Staff Officer of the Coast Guard Auxiliary.

Mr. Feinstein graduated from Queens College in 1952, and then earned a master's degree in Journalism from Columbia University. A U.S. Army veteran, he earned a National Defense Service Ribbon while serving as a Signal Corp Information Specialist.

Born on November 5, 1931, in the Ridgewood section of Queens, N.Y., Mr. Feinstein was the son of Kate and Jacob Feinstein. Besides his wife, Eve, of Hastings-on-Hudson, NY, he is survived by a brother, Allen Feinstein of Phoenix, AZ; two sons, Jeffrey Feinstein of Alexandria, VA, and Robert Feinstein of Sherman Oaks, CA; and three grandchildren.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:26:08 -0400
From: Larry Kaiser <lkaiser@americanyc.org>
Subject: RE: Selwyn Feinstein

My thoughts are with all the Feinstein's.

Larry Kaiser
General Manager
American Yacht Club
914-967-4800, x123

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:54:02 +0000
From: abelarge@optonline.net (Andre Belarge)
Subject: Re: Selwyn Feinstein

I am sorry to hear about Jeffrey's dad. I am also sad in hearing of the news of larry's dad.
Andre

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:02:24 -0400
From: Ed Weinberg <edw@q5comm.com>
Subject: Selwyn Feinstein

My thoughts are with the Feinsteins. While I did not know him well, I
found out from my father that they knew each other when they attended
Stuyvesant High School.

--
Edward J. Weinberg
h. 914-722-6639
c. 203-610-4799

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:02:04 -0700
From: Salvatore Saverino <sasaverino@afaz.net>
Subject: Re: Selwyn Feinstein

My sincere condolences to Jeff, Robert, and the entire Feinstein family.

Mr. Saverino

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:29:01 -0400
From: "Wick Rudd" <wickrudd@eastonspointcapital.com>
Subject: RE: Selwyn Feinstein

Jeff:

My sentiments to you and your family in this difficult time.

Wick

Richard B. Rudd
Partner
Eastons Point Capital Management, LLC.
8 Freebody St
Newport, RI 02840
401.619.2834 tel
401.855.2519 cell
wickrudd@eastonspointcapital.com
www.eastonspointcapital.com