Digest 46

This digest contains the following messages:

1. Happy Thaknsgiving
by: <dmcquickly@comcast.net>
2. Re: Happy Thaknsgiving
by: Pat S <psinatra@comcast.net>
3. Re: Happy Thaknsgiving
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Happy Thaknsgiving
by: <dave.walters@comcast.net>
5. A Humane Thanksgiving Message
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
6. Re: A Humane Thanksgiving Message - Part II
by: Pat S <psinatra@comcast.net>
7. Re: what's the restaurant
by: Amy Farber <farberamy@hotmail.com>
8. Re: A Humane Thanksgiving Message - Part II
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
9. Re: Re: what's the restaurant
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
10. Attendee list
by: Pat S <psinatra@comcast.net>
11. Re: Attendee list
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
12. Re: Attendee list
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
13. RE: Attendee list
by: lfrancis <louise.francis@comcast.net>
14. Re: Re: Attendee list
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
15. RE: Attendee list
by: Pat S <psinatra@comcast.net>
16. RE: Attendee list
by: Carpenter, Robert <robert.carpenter@credit-suisse.com>
17. RE: Re: Attendee list
by: lfrancis <louise.francis@comcast.net>
18. A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times
by: Nancy Waterous <nwaterous@astound.net>
19. Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
20. Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times
by: <dmcquickly@comcast.net>
21. Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times
by: Laurel Parker <lkp5@cornell.edu>
22. Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times
by: Lynn Harbin <lharbin@swbell.net>
23. RE: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times
by: Patricia Sinatra <psinatra@comcast.net>
24. Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times
by: <dave.walters@comcast.net>
25. Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
26. Photo commentary -- check the website
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
27. Re: Photo commentary -- check the website
by: <dave.walters@comcast.net>
28. Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972
by: <dave.walters@comcast.net>
29. Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972
by: Earle MacHardy <uggman@gmail.com>
30. RE: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972
by: lfrancis <louise.francis@comcast.net>
31. Re: Jan Sidebotham's Picture
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
32. Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972
by: <dmcquickly@comcast.net>
33. Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972
by: <faheyfam@optonline.net>
34. Article from LA Times on Keith Olbermann
by: Eric Zaidins <ezaidins@gmail.com>
35. 50th Bday
by: <JEBWILK@aol.com>
36. Re: 50th Bday
by: <dave.walters@comcast.net>
37. RE: 50th Bday
by: Patricia Sinatra <psinatra@comcast.net>
38. Re: 50th Bday
by: <JEBWILK@aol.com>
39. Re: Re: 50th Bday
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
40. Tested vs. New Events
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
41. RE: Re: 50th Bday
by: Patricia Sinatra <psinatra@comcast.net>
42. Re: 50th Bday
by: <NYCFD1@aol.com>
43. Re: Tested vs. New Events
by: Glenn Martin <gmartin@adelphia.net>
44. Re: 50th Bday
by: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
45. Re: 50th Bday
by: <dmcquickly@comcast.net>
46. Re: Re: Tested vs. New Events
by: <afine@art-cetera.com>
47. Re: Tested vs. New Events
by: <NYCFD1@aol.com>
48. Re: 50th Bday
by: <Lotsoffish@aol.com>
49. Dead of winter in Cabo
by: <dmcquickly@comcast.net>
50. Re: 50th Bday
by: <JaneGaughran@aol.com>
51. RE: Bouncing Emails
by: Wick Rudd <rrudd@siginvest.com>
52. RE: Bouncing Emails
by: Mckirgan, Irene <irene.mckirgan@Vanderbilt.Edu>

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:52:41 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net
Subject: Happy Thaknsgiving

A wuick hello and Happy Thanksgiving to all of you! I hope this holiday season finds you all healthy and happy.

From one of the soon-to-be 50s.

Greg Vaughn

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:22:43 +0000
From: psinatra@comcast.net (Pat S)
Subject: Re: Happy Thaknsgiving

Same here.

I am coming to visit Dec 14 - 21st and was wondering if anyone was interested in getting together for a holiday rendezvous at one of our favorite haunts like Maud's, Harvest or perhaps even in the city. The latter might be a nice change of pace.

Pat

--
psinatra@comcast.net
650 274 7488 cell

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:49:18 -0800 (PST)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Happy Thaknsgiving

Pat -- I think I'll be in the NYC/Hastings area towards the end of your stint and would love to see a bunch of folks...I've thought, too, that the city might be a good place to meet, though I'm sentimental about Maud's (memories of Dorsey's...)...Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Jan

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:23:54 +0000
From: dave.walters@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Happy Thaknsgiving

Happy roasted-fowl day all! I'm cooking goose for 24 people! Gotta get back...

David

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:35:44 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: A Humane Thanksgiving Message

I've been trying to explain to people that I haven't the time to email anyone today. I have to go and save a turkey... from becoming leftovers.

Alan

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:49:03 +0000
From: psinatra@comcast.net (Pat S)
Subject: Re: A Humane Thanksgiving Message - Part II

Other than Jan, anyone else visiting and for how long?

I am in for Friday, Sat or Sunday the 15th, 16th and 17th but could do other nights, except the 20th I fly out on the morning of the 21st.

I am sure there is a cool, laid back place in NYC to hang out; perhaps somewhere in TriBeCa or the Village with a cozy or fun bar. We could meet in Hastings and pool it down depending on how many show up.

Then again, I know we are all lazy slugs and will end up at Maud's or Harvest, although I am a bit burnt out on Maud's but recognize that convenience may be the primary motivator. There is another place next to Harvest--I can't remember the name of it. What is that like?

Pat

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:33:45 -0500
From: "Amy Farber" <farberamy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: what's the restaurant

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:37:17 -0800 (PST)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A Humane Thanksgiving Message - Part II

You guys may have to plan this without me...I don't think I can get there before the 19th and that doesn't sound good for you, Pat... Whatever happens happens. It'll work out...

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 0:18:19 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Re: Re: what's the restaurant

Ah, yes. We've been to Blu on several occasions. You have to get past (literally) the fact that you are in a tennis complex. After that it is pretty good. I especially like the bar overlooking the Hudson and an old wharf ruin. It is different enough and convenient enough. Maybe it should be the home of more than one gathering, if people can't make any of Pat's dates.

Alan

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:46:36 +0000
From: psinatra@comcast.net (Pat S)
Subject: Attendee list

All,

Of course let's not do this around me; I just happen to be there at the time and if anyone is around, we can get together--and I am sure you will all have the opportunity to meet later during the holidaze.

I have attached a spread sheet. Reserve your name for a column and kindly put down the dates you can make it.

Regards,

Pat

--
psinatra@comcast.net
650 274 7488 cell

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:14:46 -0800 (PST)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Attendee list

Of course it should be done around you, Pat! You live far away, and you're the heart of the class, baby! (And I'm not kidding....) Alan's just going to have to deal with going to a lot of mini-reunions...

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:21:33 -0800 (PST)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Attendee list

pat -- i don't know how the hell to add something to a spreadsheet -- i can barely open an attachment, i'm so techno-impaired... but i tried...

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:02:57 -0800
From: "lfrancis" <louise.francis@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Attendee list

Hi all. Happy Thanksgiving. I've been away from email for 2 days,
cooking for 17, so I missed all this. I too will be in NYC over the
holidays -- I'll be there from 12/21 until 12/24. Got plans for Xmas Eve
(with my sister Judi & her girls & my brother Paul & his family). But
other than that, I'm open. Dennis and the boys will be with me this
trip.
Will this method work for getting out info? Perhaps Pat can analyze it
using her spreadsheet. I loved it Pat, just can't do technology this
early -- too much wine with the turkey.

Louise: Available 12/21 thru 12/23
Pat: Available 12/17 thru 12/19
Jan?

Louise

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:05:51 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Attendee list

Okay. Sounds like I should step in here.

I'm posting Pat's spreadsheet on our website. Please email in your available dates, either publicly here, or privately to my email address, and I'll try to keep the chart updated daily.

And this is a call to all classes.

The idea is to allow people to know when others are around, so they can contact each other either publicly or privately.

Even if you're not the type for a mini-reunion, please make use of this chart to reach out and touch someone.

Alan

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:13:09 +0000
From: psinatra@comcast.net (Pat S)
Subject: RE: Attendee list

Sorry about the spreadsheet, all. Really, all you need to do is right next to my name, there is a box. You fill in the box and that's it. A name for each box and so and so horizontally and or vertically.
Although, I must say, it may be easier to use Louise's method!
I always seem to miss you guys, but I could only use my frequent flyer miles during those dates, and since I am a lazy slug, too, booked my flight late--as usual.

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:16:52 -0500
From: "Carpenter, Robert" <robert.carpenter@credit-suisse.com>
Subject: RE: Attendee list

More wine yay

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:44:14 -0800
From: "lfrancis" <louise.francis@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Attendee list

Thanks Alan!
-Louise

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:17:57 -0800
From: "Nancy Waterous" <nwaterous@astound.net>
Subject: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times

November 26, 2006

'Yours Truly,' the E-Variations

By LOLA OGUNNAIKE
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/lola_ogunn
aike/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

CHAD TROUTWINE, an entrepreneur in Malibu, Calif., was negotiating a
commercial lease earlier this year for a building he owns in the
Midwest. Though talks began well, they soon grew rocky. The telltale
sign that things had truly devolved? The sign-offs on the e-mail
exchanges with his prospective tenant.

"As negotiations started to break down, the sign-offs started to get
decidedly shorter and cooler," Mr. Troutwine recalled. "In the beginning
it was like, 'I look forward to speaking with you soon' and 'Warmest
regards,' and by the end it was just 'Best.' " The deal was eventually
completed, but Mr. Troutwine still felt as if he had been snubbed.

What's in an e-mail sign-off? A lot, apparently. Those final few words
above your name are where relationships and hierarchies are established,
and where what is written in the body of the message can be clarified or
undermined. In the days before electronic communication, the formalities
of a letter, either business or personal, were taught to every
third-grader; sign-offs - from "Sincerely" to "Yours truly" to "Love" -
came to mind without much effort.

But e-mail is a casual medium, and its conventions are scarcely a decade
old. They are still evolving, often awkwardly. It is common for business
messages to appear entirely in lower case, and many rapid-fire
correspondences evolve from formal to intimate in a few back-and-forths.

Although salutations that begin messages can be tricky - there is a
world of difference, it seems, between a "Hi," a "Hello" and a "Dear" -
the sign-off is the place where many writers attempt to express
themselves, even when expressing personality, as in business
correspondence, is not always welcome.

In other words, it is a land mine. Etiquette and communications experts
agree that it is becoming increasingly difficult to say goodbye.

"So many people are not clear communicators," said Judith Kallos,
creator of NetManners.com, a site dedicated to online etiquette, and
author of "Because Netiquette Matters." To be clear about what an e-mail
message is trying to say, and about what is implied as well as what is
stated, "the reader is left looking at everything from the greeting to
the closing for clues," she said.

Mr. Troutwine is not alone in thinking that an e-mail sender who writes
"Best," then a name, is offering something close to a brush-off. He said
he chooses his own business sign-offs in a descending order of
cordiality, from "Warmest regards" to "All the best" to a curt
"Sincerely."

When Kim Bondy, a former CNN executive, e-mailed a suitor after a dinner
date, she used one of her preferred closings: "Chat soon." It was her
way of saying, "The date went well, let's do it again," she said.

She may have been the only one who thought that. The return message
closed with the dreaded "Best." It left her feeling as though she had
misread the evening. "I felt like, 'Oh, that's kind of formal. I don't
think he liked me,' " she said, laughing. "A chill came with the 'Best.'
" They have not gone out since.

"Best" does have its fans, especially in the workplace, where it can be
an all-purpose step up in warmth from messages that end with no sign-off
at all, just the sender coolly appending his or her name.

"I use 'Best' for all of my professional e-mails," said Kelly Brady, a
perky publicist in New York. "It's friendly, quick and to the point."

Because people read so much into a sign-off, said Richard Kirshenbaum,
chief creative officer of the advertising firm Kirshenbaum Bond &
Partners, he has thought deeply about his preferred closing to
professional correspondence, "Warmly, RK." He did not want something too
emotional, like "Love," or too formal, like "Sincerely." " 'Warmly' fell
comfortably in between," he said. "I want to convey a sense of warmth
and passion, but also be appropriate."

Which is just what a professional e-mail message should be, many
executives say. Surprisingly, the sign-off "xoxo," offering hugs and
kisses, has become common even for those in decidedly nonamorous
relationships. Ms. Bondy, who received from 300 to 500 e-mail messages a
day while at CNN, was no fan of the "xoxo" farewell, especially when it
came from a stranger pitching a story idea. "They're trying to be warm
and familiar when they shouldn't be," she said. "It's inappropriate, and
that's probably the e-mail I'm not going to return."

Robert Verdi, a fashion stylist and a host of "Surprise by Design," a
makeover reality show on the Discovery Channel, is a self-described
"xoxo offender." "Never in the first or second communication," he
clarified. But after a few friendly phone conversations or e-mail
exchanges, he feels comfortable with the affectionate and casual
sign-off, though he generally waits for the other party to make the
first move. "The other person gives you the cues," he said. "They send a
'You're the best! Love, Alison,' and you send a 'Hugs and kisses' and
all of a sudden you're over that awkward hump and you're best friends."

Ms. Kallos said Mr. Verdi's approach is the correct one. "In business
you want to maintain the highest level of formality until the other
person indicates otherwise," she said. "Mirroring isn't a bad thing to
do. You're letting the other side set the level of familiarity."

It is also important that the closing is in keeping with the spirit of
the message or it may create some sort of cognitive dissonance, said
Mary Mitchell, the author of "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Etiquette."
"If you're complaining to a company about a product and you sign off
with 'Warmly,' you are miscommunicating," she said.

Many e-mail users don't bother with a sign-off, and Letitia Baldridge,
the manners expert, finds that annoying. "It's so abrupt," she said,
"and it's very unfriendly. We need grace in our lives, and I'm not
talking about heavenly grace. I'm talking about human grace. We should
try and be warm and friendly."

But it is important not to have too much fun with sign-offs, Ms.
Baldridge cautioned, before recalling a closing from a man in his early
20s that read, "Don't let the bedbugs bite." It was "so pedestrian and
boring and such an unattractive image to leave with people," she said.
"You want to leave an attractive warm image. Bedbugs are disgusting."

Not to mention they prove a point Ms. Mitchell makes about e-mail
correspondence. "While on the one hand e-mail encourages people to
write," she said, "on the other hand it discourages people to write
thoughtfully."

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:09:24 -0800 (PST)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times

Nancy -- Thanks. What a great article -- especially for a teacher who uses email to communicate with parents and other teachers......Um, now how do I sign off? Love, Sincerely, Best, All the best . . .

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:29:02 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net
Subject: Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times

I use "Regards" for initial email, "All the best" for that mid-stage communication, and "Yours" for more familiar sign-offs (unless it's going to get a spouse in trouble! lol).

I use "Love" with my family and, when available, significant others. I haven't used it with non-family members in a few years. Had thought about sending an email to my cats, just to keep in practice, but changed my mind when I realized they sleep on my bed every night and have probably become significant others.

What do you all use? Not many people use sign-offs consistently in our emails here. Maybe this is because we look at these not as any sort of formal or occupationally-political communication, and so don't feel the need for them. Does the lack of sign-off in our art-cetera emails offend anyone?

This part of Nancy's forwarded article made me again laugh at the futility of life: Ms. Kallos said Mr. Verdi's approach is the correct one. "In business you want to maintain the highest level of formality until the other person indicates otherwise," she said. "Mirroring isn't a bad thing to do. You're letting the other side set the level of familiarity."

If everyone were to mirror, nobody would ever make that first leap beyond Stage One, let alone anything else in life. If we do mirror, aren't we doing the email equivalent of revealing our bellies to the Alpha Male? And isn't mirroring your superior eliminating that very superior-subordinate relationship? In the end, someone has to take a stand and make that next move.

This is why I like teaching. In the classroom, everyone knows who the superior is. Fortunately for me, they let me think I am, probably to humor me.

What's the 50th birthday party plan?

Love you all

Greg

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:37:38 -0500
From: Laurel Parker <lkp5@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times

My academic training is in linguistics (specifically, discourse
analysis -- Deborah Tannen would have a field day with this topic!)
and I thought the article lost an opportunity to show how emotions
really do show up in email via the use of language -- even if each
side is misinterpreting the other. I often wonder how my kids will
come across in business communications -- my marching them through
thank-you notes may or may not be helping their correspondence skills
when email and slang communication seems to rule!

I use "love" with close friends and family, and "sincerely" in almost
every other situation, especially if I don't know the other
person! I've noted that my colleagues here in Human Resources either
skip that step altogether ("when in doubt, leave it out"), or use
relatively neutral sign offs like "regards", "with many thanks",
"sincerely", etc. I think mirroring actually follows what folks do
when they're in a foreign culture and need to follow someone else's
lead to learn what to do and avoid misunderstandings. Especially in business!

For the record, I'm not at all offended when sign-offs are skipped!

Laurel

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:50:28 -0600
From: Lynn Harbin <lharbin@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times

I have no academic training in linguistics, but because of the few
business courses I took at HHS, I do exactly what Laurel said - "love"
for those who are close, and "sincerely" in almost everything else. I
don't know why the article was so down on "sincerely". I have never
been offended by it and always accepted it as a normal, business-like
sign off. And, no sign-off doesn't bother me either. Maybe sitting
around questioning the motive of behind each kind of sign-off is being
just a tad too insecure, sensitive, or picky. What do you think?
Lynn

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:16:16 -0800
From: "Patricia Sinatra" <psinatra@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times

I find it depends on the nature of the business or personal interaction, but
agree with the article that you can read a lot in a sign off regarding the
relationship with that person or situation.

With highly networked folks who know each other well, it is not uncommon to
see "All the best" (I am not too fond of this one), Best regards, Best
wishes, Yours truly, Yours sincerely, Sincerely yours, Kind regards,
Regards, Talk with you soon, and the ones from Europe and Japan are often
pretty interesting, too (I'll leave those out so as not to ramble.) "Warm
regards'" is generally not appropriate unless you have a long term and
somewhat albeit personal relationship (i.e., you have gotten stinking drunk
together at a business event and told each other your vulnerable secrets.
More than once.)

On a more personal note, someone you like a lot but don't love:
"fondly". With ex lovers: "with fond memories", "Never again" or "Get
lost"; with ex employers: "Have a nice day" but personally, I like "buh
bye" or "See you in court."

I think the hardest ones to interpret is just signing one's name without any
gesture of future communication or feeling about your interaction with than
person.

I thus remain truly yours, and best wishes for the holiday season.

Buh bye,

Pat

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:21:56 +0000
From: dave.walters@comcast.net
Subject: Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times

Then there is one my oldie Anglophile one, as exemplified at the end of this message. So, that, always, I will forever be,

Your humble servant,

David Walters

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:42:39 +0000
From: afine@art-cetera.com
Subject: Re: A Cautionary Tale? From the NY Times

Here is one I use because I find myself always communicating partial information for ongoing projects.

So whether we struggle with how best to communicate, .or wrestle with the very meaning of life itself, I say:

More when I know more,

Alan

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 05:58:56 -0800 (PST)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Photo commentary -- check the website

Hi All... Over the last few months, I've been reorganizing (overhauling) my personal life, and in the course of going through old stuff, I found this photo, that I've been meaning -- since the 30th reunion -- to get to Alan to put on the website. It's like something out of central casting for a 1970's movie -- by Will Ferrell, I'm afraid. Anyway, can you find: Peter Andrews, Jane Gaughran, the lovely Louise, Corey Shaff, Robbie Carlson, Peter Hazou, Jeffrey Feinstein, Michael Schmais, David Heston, Barbara Harnack, Cindy Barr, Emily Singer...? Hey Virrill, how come you weren't there? Didn't you want to help the flood victims?

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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:58:48 +0000
From: dave.walters@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Photo commentary -- check the website

Wow...a wonderful photo Jan. The quintessential 1970s photo if there ever was one! Particularly the picture of Tucker.

hugs and kisses,

David

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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:04:41 +0000
From: dave.walters@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972

The photo was taken after delivery help to the victims of the June 22, 1972 Elmira flood. Probably early fall of 1972 is what I'm thinking given the clothing people are wearing. There is a picture of Nat Meznikoff (sp?) there too on the right front row who I think died that year.

David

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:48:46 -0500
From: "Earle MacHardy" <uggman@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972

That's me next to Nat...he died when we were in 11th grade. In this picture
we are only in 9th grade. We canvassed the neighborhood and also saw
Lysistrata at the local college on the night we got there. We slept in the
church in a big meeting hall. I remember being very tired during that trip;
I think we talked more than slept.

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:43:10 -0800
From: "lfrancis" <louise.francis@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972

So that's where I first saw Lysistrata -- thanks Earle; I remember the
production but had forgotten where I saw it. I think this is one of only
2 photos of my sister Judi in pigtails that still exists in this world.
I've always loved this picture of Tucker, Earle and Nat -- the contrast
of seriousness with joy and ease. And all those plaid flannel shirts --
brings "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay..." back to mind.
Louise

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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:23:38 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Re: Jan Sidebotham's Picture

I asked Mr. Rittner if he was holding his daughter Jennifer in that picture, and here is what he wrote back.

Alan

>
> From: Bob Rittner <bobrittner@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2006/12/03 Sun AM 09:37:06 EST> To: afine@art-cetera.com
> Subject: Re: Jan Sidebotham's Picture
>
> Hi Alan,
> Yes, and that is my wife Bernadette holding our son
> Alan. Bob Tucker organized the trip; except for my
> wife and children who found rooms in a rooming house,
> we all slept on the floor of a gymnasium at the
> college. There is a copy of that picture in Bob's
> classroom and I have one framed in my house as well.
> Top left is Georgia Brillis and I also recognize many
> others such as Eric Stern and Nat Meznikoff. Louise's
> sister Judy was the president of the Conservation Club
> that year.
> Incidentally, speaking of pictures, I still have a
> lovely painting-water color, I think-that Rita Chang
> brought me when she returned from a trip to China many
> years ago. Both Bernadette and I have always loved it.
> As I remember, the task was to survey victims of the
> flood to assess the amount of damage done and probably
> to provide data for insurance claims, although I do
> not know for sure. I am sure Bob can fill you in on
> the details; it was an extraordinary undertaking,
> typical of his enormous energy and ability to get
> things done. I believe the man next to my wife and me
> is the professor at Elmira college through whom Bob
> coordinated the effort. And the other man is the bus
> driver. (My family and I drove our own car.)
> Regards,
> Bob

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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:24:03 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972

Thanks for the extra info, Earle. I'm pretty sure Barry Gonder is on the right of the top row...glasses...

Greg
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> (also including teachers and other classes)
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> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:48:46 -0500
> From: "Earle MacHardy" <uggman@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972
>
> That's me next to Nat...he died when we were in 11th grade. In this picture
> we are only in 9th grade. We canvassed the neighborhood and also saw
> Lysistrata at the local college on the night we got there. We slept in the
> church in a big meeting hall. I remember being very tired during that trip;
> I think we talked more than slept.

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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:59:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: faheyfam@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Photo commentary -- check the website: June 22, 1972

What a great picture, Jan! I wish I had gotten more involved in conservation and social concerns in high school - I guess I was one of those people who didn't fully understand the importance of outreach and charity until later years - I'm proud of all of you that did!

Is that Jim Mahoney behind Mr. Tucker? It really looks like him, to the best of my recollection. Has he ever come back to a reunion, or has anyone heard from him? I always worried about him, I think he was even quieter than I was (nowadays people wish they could keep me quiet!)

Anne Kapfer Fahey

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:23:16 -0500
From: "Eric Zaidins" <ezaidins@gmail.com>
Subject: Article from LA Times on Keith Olbermann

Hi Everyone,

For those of you who are keeping tabs on Keith, The LA Times published a
great article on 11/27 titled, "The gloves come off, Keith Olbermann's
anti-Bush views have driven up the ratings of his MSNBC show."

For anyone who's interested, you can read it here:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-et-olber27nov27,1,2358273.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Warmest holiday widhes to all,

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:33:29 EST
From: JEBWILK@aol.com
Subject: 50th Bday

Alan-
Do you know the date yet for the 50th birthday party (or a best guess)? I'm
trying to plan a NY vacation with my family around the date and want to try
to book some cheap flights, etc.
Thanks-
You're the best-
Julie

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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:32:23 +0000
From: dave.walters@comcast.net
Subject: Re: 50th Bday

I had my 50th last month (I'm a '56 kid). Total surprise party by my wife. Got me SO bad....

David

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:56:23 -0800
From: "Patricia Sinatra" <psinatra@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: 50th Bday

Perhaps we should do it mid-year or peak of fall?
Pat

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:24:55 EST
From: JEBWILK@aol.com
Subject: Re: 50th Bday

Is it me or didn't we kind of agree on the weekend in June that the Youth
group was going to do their annual fundraiser?
-Julie

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:34:07 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 50th Bday

Julie,

You're right. It was suggested that our celebration could coincide with the second Annual Picnic Fundraiser for the Hastings Youth Council. (Pictures from the first picnic, held at Jeff Edelman's house, can be seen by scrolling down the welcome page of our website. Ed Caccia took them.) And, so there is no work and little expense for individuals, we can add the usual time-tested events around that.

I think it is a great idea. By having our weekend match the weekend of this Youth Council event, we not only get to celebrate our 50th birthdays, we get to see other classmates who have -- or have not yet -- turned (we're like expiring milk now).

Another advantage of these "youngsters" being around is we will have caretakers to help the rest of us with our medicine, shoelaces and diapers.

Jeff, has a date been decided yet? We need to know ASAP to help us plan.

Alan

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:40:04 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Tested vs. New Events

Aside from deciding the date and whether we do the usual events, does anyone want to make suggestions and take over the planning of new events?

Billy, I haven't seen you in a while, miss you, and hope you and your family are doing well. At one time, you had some thoughts on this subject. Is that still true?

Alan

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:46:07 -0800
From: "Patricia Sinatra" <psinatra@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Re: 50th Bday

As long as we have decent champagne, I don't care where we have our little
celeb! (I am confident we can arrange something for the teetotalers.)

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:02:32 EST
From: NYCFD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 50th Bday

anytime in the summer if we cant find a place to put a case of beer, and a
softball game or just a good bbq, my fire house is open to me, pavilion with
full grill and kitchen or, inside with full kitchen and party room up to 200

ray
oh by the way, mary jane and i would like to wish every one the happiest of
holidays and happy new year

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:26:49 -0500
From: "Glenn Martin" <gmartin@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Tested vs. New Events

Alan,
Wasn't it mentioned once that the Birthday bash would take place at the
Country Club where Larry Kaiser is now working? Or was that mentioned as a
joke?
Glenn

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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 05:41:36 -0800 (PST)
From: jan sidebotham <sidebothamj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 50th Bday

um... not to be a princess too much, but I know I can't make an early weekend in June...graduations are a command performance for teachers at my school...I may be the only person in that situation, but I'm wondering if others are affected similarly? I do realize that there is no one time that's going to work for everybody...

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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:31:45 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net
Subject: Re: 50th Bday

Summers are better for most of us teachers, but early June might be a problem. It isn't for me--we get out in early June--but other teachers' schedules might be different. Graduations are pretty important events for teachers to attend. It isn't mandatory in my district, but we are frowned upon if we do not attend. Seriously. People pin us to the ground, put their foreheads right on our faces, and frown on us. Ugly, ugly spectacle.

Greg

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 0:54:06 -0500
From: <afine@art-cetera.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Tested vs. New Events

Glenn,

Everything is worthy of consideration if the price is right, or better yet, free.

I think Larry was on the email list at one time, but his address may have changed. Could someone track him down and get him to subscribe again?

Speaking of this, there have been a rash of email addresses changed without telling our email server, so it is still sending emails to old addresses and they are bouncing back.

I'll need your help to update, so I'll compile a list. Stay tuned...

Alan

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 08:37:26 EST
From: NYCFD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tested vs. New Events

like i said,, the fire house is free to me, if all else fails its only a 45
min drive from hastings

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:19:12 EST
From: Lotsoffish@aol.com
Subject: Re: 50th Bday

DEAD OF WINTER...IN CABO..

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Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:33:25 +0000
From: dmcquickly@comcast.net
Subject: Dead of winter in Cabo

Niiiiiiiicccee....Send pictures, Fishman!

Greg

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:01:11 EST
From: JaneGaughran@aol.com
Subject: Re: 50th Bday

No, Jan, ur not being princessy -- possibly others will have trouble with
early June because we fading elders have graduating seniors and being
adolescents, they will continue to dominate family life and more or less blot out the
sun till they actually graduate whenever. That said, we'll deal. jane

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:25:27 -0500
From: "Wick Rudd" <rrudd@siginvest.com>
Subject: RE: Bouncing Emails

Alan:

I'm now at wickrudd@eastonspointcapital.com. I've moved cross town, same
business, different team; kind of like being traded from the Mets to the
Yankees. I know Willy the K. spoke to Larry recently. Let's get him on the
case. Great stuff Alan!

Wick

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:42:08 -0600
From: "Mckirgan, Irene" <irene.mckirgan@Vanderbilt.Edu>
Subject: RE: Bouncing Emails

Hey everyone! Hope all is well.

I accidentally deleted all my "Hastings" emails - what is the latest
with the reunion/50th celebration?

Alan - let me know if you need help with anything - I'd be more than
willing to do my share
Thanks
Irene (alias Rink)

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